“The ideal … is the paranoid’s dream, a method so smooth that no one will know his behavior is being manipulated and against which no resistance is therefore possible … There is no longer a set of impositions which he can regard as unjust or capricious and against which he can dream of rebelling. To entertain such dreams would be madness. Gradually, even the ability to imagine alternatives begins to fade. This is, after all, not only the best of all possible worlds; it is the only one.”
Peter Schrag, Mind Control, 1978
More information was revealed on August 10th about the Conyers, Georgia shooting at Heritage High School on May, 20th. A note by the 15 year old assailant, Thomas Solomon, was found in his room and read to the press by a Georgia Bureau of Investigation officer that said, “One big question I leave behind for you to find is why. But for the sake of my brothers and sisters related to the Trench Coat Mafia, those answers will have to remain out of the public eye.” This is the first time that the shooting appears to be related to the Columbine shooting. “I have been planning to do this for years, but I finally got pissed off enough to do it. This has nothing to do with Hitler, and it is not because I was picked on,” the note continued. Solomon may face up to 351 years in prison if convicted. The defense argues that Solomon is mentally ill.
“As far as I know he was a normal student. No one picked on him,” said senior William Britt of Solomon.
“He heard voices telling him to do strange things, but they were robotic voices, not human voices,” said Dr. Eddy Regnier, who teaches psychiatry at Harvard University and who was hired by defense attorneys to examine Solomon.
Columbine High School Massacre–7 shooters, not 2
Wed Jan 28 19:26:35 2004
I have combed through over 20K pages of publicly released documents related to the Columbine High School Massacre of April 20, 1999. Here is what I have learned:
In addition to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, multiple eyewitnesses also told investigators that they identified trench coat mafia members Robert Perry, Chris Morris, Joe Stair and Brian Sargent as being part of the attacking party(in Perry’s case at least 11 and possibly 20 named eyewitnesses). There was one more assailant whose description by eyewitnesses does not fit any of the others: a slightly older man whose darkish hair had blond, spiky tips; aka “the white T-shirted bomber” to Columbine buffs. These IDs were buttressed by others who saw 3 to 6 suspects together at some point during the massacre or immediately beforehand, in addition to others who heard shooting going on in two places simultaneously, when officially the two named patsies-Harris and Klebold-were together virtually the entire time.
One of the trench coat gang-Pat McDuffee-told police that five of the seven named above were indeed inside the school with guns, in addition he named five more trench coaters-Eric Ault, John Beachem, Eric Dutro, Charles Phillips, and Eric Jackson- as being involved in the planning or bomb-building. And at least two of the female trench coat associates-Melissa Sowder and Alejandra Marsh- told other students that they had advance foreknowledge of the attack.
But that wasn’t the only thing the media wasn’t telling you: there were also a number of similar ‘incidents’ happening in various high schools around Denver at about the same time(within 24 hours). By which I mean kids being arrested for weapons possession, bomb ‘hoaxes’, ‘copycat’ attacks, etc. And the day before the massacre, two trench coaters in Augusta Georgia were arrested before they could carry out their own school attack. The local media there reported that the Georgia teens and the Colorado group were in internet contact before 4-20.
It sounds to me as though this was all supposed to be some sort of covert operation whose purpose was supposed to be new controls on internet access following disclosures that various school attackers were communicating and coordinating attacks via computer(had a number of other attacks not been busted up prematurely by cops).
“Let the truth be out, and let the chips fall where they may”
52 eyewitnesses can’t be wrong!
There is a great deal of evidence that more were involved than just Harris or Klebold. Among the best evidence are eyewitnesses who saw and recognized other participants in the crime. The below lists contains most of those who saw and were able to name other attackers at Columbine, plus a few more whose descriptions of the shooter(s) cannot possibly be either Harris or Klebold.
The following eyewitnesses identified a ‘Robert’ or ‘Robert Perry’ as one of the attackers:
1) Cyrstal Archuleta(EP1-197)
“…she did see one person throw a pipe bomb. …..She told me at the time she thought it was Robert Perry.”
2) Seth Dubois(EP21-125)
“…Seth told Katherine(Carlston) that Robert Perry was seen shooting a girl in the back while leaving the library.”
3) Wade Allen Frank(EP1-91)
“Mr. Frank told me that he thought origonally one of the individuals(shooting) was someone by the name of Robert…” “He stated that the person was tall, approximately 6’3″ and kind of ackward(sic) and gangly.”
4) Bryan Frye(EP25-69)
“He stated that the person he had previously believed this shooter to be was Robert Perry. …..In a previous interview, after receiving his yearbook, he had told his father that he believed the shooter to be Robert Perry. He also stated that the gunman had bad acne.”
5) Courtney Haulman(EP25-91)
“There was three guys. The guy I remember most was the main guy. He’s over 6′ tall and has long curly dark-colored hair. He was wearing a trench coat. His name is Robert Perry.”
6) Lacey Hohn(EP1-186)
“…can you identify or descibe who was shooting? ….Ms. Hohn said that she does not believe it was Harris or Klebold. Ms. Hohn believes it was an individual named Robert.”
7) Bijen Monty(EP1-110)
“I asked her if she saw the source of the shooting. She told me she saw who she thought, at the time, was Robert Perry with a gun hanging around his neck. She said she never actually saw him shoot the weapon.
“She asked me if I had any information in regards to Robert Perry. I informed her I did not.”
8 ) Tessa Nelson(EP1-113)
“I asked her if she saw the source of the shots. She said she saw a male, who she thought was Robert Perry, wearing boots, dark jeans with dark hair, walking down the stairs outside the cafeteria. She said the male suspect pulled a gun and started shooting.”
9) Katelyn Sue Place(EP21-285)
Kate said, “It was (Redacted). I’m almost positive of it. I remember looking him dead in the eye. He was in my debate class….. . …Dylan kind of looked like Robert, but Dylan doesn’t have the long face. Robert’s teeth are messed up and he was smiling and I saw his teeth then. Kate said that she has since seen pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, “It’s not one of them.”(Referring to the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons.)
“She remembers him shooting Ann Marie(Hochalter). …. Robert was just randomly shooting. …Robert was still shooting. ….Kate said that Robert shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate. ….She looked and saw Jason(Autenrieth) trying to help Ann Marie, dragging her away from Robert, to the side.”
10) Lacey Smith(4470)
“On the diagram she depicts (Redacted) as walking in through the doors, past where she was sitting, and going in about as far as they north end of the school store. It was at that time she heard the windows breaking and then realized she was hearing shots.
“….she did not have any trouble indentifying PERRY when he walked past her. I asked SMITH how sure she was that the person she saw and spoke with was (Redacted). I asked, “90 percent sure? 50 percent sure?” Her response was “100 percent sure.” I then showed SMITH a photo lineup which included a picture of Dylan KLEBOLD, and asked her if the person who walked past her was in the lineup. She stated he was NOT in the lineup. …..As (Redacted) passed her and was near the commons area of the cafeteria, she then explained that (Redacted) pulled a weapon out from under his trench coat and started firing into the cafeteria.
11) Brenton Hooker(16397)
“….he turned around and observed an individual he thought was ROBERT PERRY(ex-student of Columbine High School) standing outside the door just to the north of the main entrance shooting a pistol in his direction….” ….HOOKER described the individual he thought was PERRY as 6’8″ – 6’11” in height, very skinny, tight black pants, black trench coat…”
12) Tyler Chenoweth(1830)
“A student named Jen Smull saw through the (science classroom)door during the incident and said that the tall suspect had curly hair and was the student who came to a Halloween party as a warlock. He thought of Robert Perry based on that description.”
The following eyewitnesses identified a (Redacted) as being the shooter, with the description fitting Perry’s:
13) Tiffany Lien(968 )
“Lien stated she believed gunman number one was (Redacted)…. …Lien stated that she was approximately twenty to twenty-five feet away from gunman number one and looked at him face to face for approximately 25 seconds, frozen in her tracks.” Tall male had long black trench coat, black jeans, dark brown hair. His hair was kind of long and had curls. He was skinny and his shoulders kind of hunched over. …She also stated that the gunman had bad acne.
14) Kristen Long(20245)
“Long said suspect definitely had dark hair and a large nose, thought it might be (Redacted).”
15) Rusty Shyler(5464)
“The individual was very tall. …Shyler saw his face partially and thought based upon his dress and size that it may have been (Redacted). He was a hundred percent sure it was (Redacted). He described (Redacted) as being 6’6″ to 6’7″ tall and having lots of zits.”
16) Chris Thierren(1207)
Saw a tall shooter with acne, large nose, shoulder-length hair. “He stated that the picture he saw was of (Redacted) and he was ‘pretty sure’ he was the shooter he saw that morning at CHS.”
17) Erin Walton(4139)
“Erin Walton said she knew one of the shooters, and that he not one of (the) two Eric and Dylan. …he was a senior named (Redacted). and he was very tall, had bad acne scars on his cheeks…. ”
The following witnesses did not identify the shooter, but the descriptions fits Perry’s:
18 ) Pat Caruso(2683 and EP17-13)
“Thought the suspect looked like a trench coat student he has seen before who had bad acne, ….curly long dark brown hair, wearing black trenchcoat…. and a tie-dyed shirt, pink or yellow.”
19) Justin Norman(3929)
“Upon the hill we saw a tall guy with blond hair, acne, big nose and buck teeth…. the guy had a handgun and he shot one kid in the ankle and another who didn’t move.” (Note: Accoding to Norman in a later interview, this was Klebold, though the description is more indicative of Perry.)
20) Joanathan Ballard(1765)
“One of the (trenchcoated)kids(who was walking the halls during the shooting-implied to be a shooter) was about 6’5″ or 6’6″,…. I later saw on channel 4 or 9 news, I’m almost positive, that same man or teen, on t.v., acting all worried.” (Note: this can’t be Harris or Klebold, as they died in the shooting.)
21) Nathan Anema(2359)
“….Anema identified (Redacted) as possibly being the person he saw throw a pipe bomb during the shooting at Columbine High School on 4-20-99. …Anema stated that he initially thought the person that he saw throwing the pipe bomb was (Redacted).”
22) Katie Beer(6636)
“…. when the incident began at Columbine High School, she initially tried to get out of the school by going toward the main doors on the east side of the school by the administrative offices, however, she said she saw a third shooter next to these offices and that this third shooter shot out windows at that location. …Katy Beer told him this third shooter may have been (Redacted).”
23) Jason Brehm(719)
One of the shooters had a very round face, shorter than 5’11”. Not Harris or Klebold.
24) Leanne Clark(1422)
“…Clark told her that she saw who did the shooting in the cafeteria, and that Clark identified (Redacted) as a gunman.”
25) John Cook(756)
A couple of weeks after the massacre, “Cook said he believed he could ID both of the suspects if he saw photos of them again.” Since everybody had seen the photos of H&K in the media, and knew they had died in the incident, Cook is clearly not talking about Eric or Dylan here.
26) Frank DeAngelis, School Principle(8018 )
“I also assisted the principle of Columbine, who was having hard time giving the pictures of possible suspects to the command post and was present when he looked at and identified one of the suspects he was named.(sic) The male suspect was in the custody of, I believe, Jefferson Co. Sheriff’s investigators.”
27) David Eagle(1878 )
“The guy with the gun had black hair looked like it was spiked shaved on the sides.(sic) It was also blond on top. 5’9”, about 18 years old.
“He has since seen pictures of Harris and Klebold on television. …David said that the person he saw did not look like the people he’s seen on television.”
28 ) Ashley Egelund(22671)
“Ashley was in north corridor when she observed (Redacted) and Eric Harris coming around the corner from the library…. She said Chris Morris was armed with a handgun while Harris was armed with a shotgun.(5248 ) ….both started shooting at Ashley…. Ashley did not know (Redacted) at first but she saw his picture in the yearbook and is positive it was (Redacted).
“… No photo lineup per Investigator Battan.”
29) Amy Evans(22205)
“….Amy Evans said there was a third shooter and it was (Redacted).”
30) Joel Hatfield(19277)
“Joel Hatfield interviewed 4-29-99. Saw one shooter with excellent description of dress, physical, guns and movement. Could ID in lineup if needed.” Once again, this cannot be H or K, as everybody was aware that H&K were in no position to stand in a lineup!
31) Mark Hengel(5901)
“Hengel identified Klebold and (Redacted) from the photograph in the attached 1A envelope…. Also attached is a 1A envelope is a diagram of Columbine High School indicating the diection of Hengel and the two individuals dressed in black.”
Apparently the interviewing officer didn’t like what he was hearing, and so the interviewer ends up telling the eyewitness what he saw:
“I then advised Mark Hengel that the skinny person he saw standing and shooting was Dylan Klebold and the person he saw standing over the duffel bag was Eric Harris.”
32) AnneMarie Hochalter, gunshot victim outside the cafeteria(18218 )
“Advised that Harris/Klebold did not shoot her. …. Has ID on shooters.”
33) Leigh Kamens(1422)
While in the ‘green room’ off of the science hall, she identified (Redacted) as one of the gunmen.
34) Tim Kastle(3416)
“As far as I know the suspects are Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, (Redacted) and I think there might have been two others.”
35) Alicia Maes(3614)
“Alicia stated that when she first observed the male in the black trench coat, she thought it was a person known to her as (Redacted).”
36) Lucas Milne
“Saw (Redacted) in commons at 11am in a black trenchcoat and knows (Redacted). States that Dan Goin and Brandon Little and Bijen Monte saw (Redacted) shooting at school. Milne picked out (Redacted) in photo lineup.
37) Leiha Murphy(3828 )
In the cafeteria, notices commotion outside north-west door. “I saw a guy I recognized as (Redacted). He was running… Stair had his blond hair down. It’s past his shoulders. He’s about 6′, tall, skinny, he was wearing a long black trench coat…. I saw nothing in his hands. He was observed a short distance from whatever was going on at the door. My thought was that (Redacted) was involved if there was a fight.”
Stair named in the cafeteria map(see page 3830). Leiha also immediately picked him out of a photo lineup.
“I ask Leiha if she was certain that this individual was (Redacted). Leiha said “Oh yeah, I’m certain…. I saw his face full on. I remember seeing his face completely….(she said he stood in place for about 15 seconds)….I remember him graduating last year.” She remembers him wearing ‘makeup on his face and hand’ and that because of that, he stood out from other students.” (3836)
Also, at least four ear- witnesses heard the suspects refer to one of their number as “Joe”.(Encinas, 2943, Herivel, 1927, McKenna, 3525, and Salazar, EP21-224)
38 ) Mark Opfer(1064)
“At the time, Opfer believed the taller person in the black tenchcoat who with(sic) the shooter was (Redacted)…..”
“CHS student Mark Opfer was interviewed on 4-27-99… In that interview Opfer stated that he believed (Redacted, wearing a trench coat) was standing next to a gunman and was involved in the shooting.”
39) Josh Ortwein(1939)
“…Josh Ortwein witnessed the shooting and he was telling everyone he saw (Redacted) shooting a gun.”
40) Bree Pasquale(18018 )
Library eyewitness, was made to beg for her life. Says the gunman lived down the street from her and played the character “Morgan” in a school play. She knew him, and he knew her. Definitely not H or K!
41) Jessica Rusch(2143)
“…she identified one of the gunmen at the Columbine High School as being an individual known as (Redacted).”
42) Cara Sander(EP25-203)
Describes gunman as pudgy, overweight, very full face, thick bushy eyebrows. IDs him as (Redacted), who is heavy-set with a round face, short dark hair and dark eyebrows. A copy of the CHS yearbook page with B
“You made your children what they are…. These children that come at you with knives, they are your children. You taught them. I didn’t teach them. I just tried to help them stand up…. You can project it back at me, but I am only what lives inside each and every one of you. My father is your system…. I am only what you made me. I am a reflection of you. You made your children what they are…. These children that come at you with knives, they are your children. You taught them. I didn’t teach them. I just tried to help them stand up…. You can project it back at me, but I am only what lives inside each and every one of you. My father is your system…. I am only what you made me. I am a reflection of you.”
Charles Milles Manson, convicted drug dealer and assassination leader, contract killer for the Chingons and west coast mafia
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I had a The Thing marathon last night. The Thing (2011), The Thing from Another World (1951), The Thing (1982), all three of them based on the short story Who Goes There? by John W. Campbell from 1938.
And I actually watched them in that order for some reason, and in retrospect I’m glad I did. Especially that I watched the 2011 version before the 1982 one, since it’s actually a prequel (and NOT a remake which I thought, and who can blame me, a prequel with the exact same title?? That’s like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom being named Raiders of the Lost Ark)
Anyway, it IS a prequel, and even though it wasn’t as awesome as the John Carpenter’s classic from 1982, I loved how they were linked together with a bunch of details and backstories. But to really separate what I thought of them all individually…
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According to Charles Buhler, a NASA scientist currently working on the force field concept, “Using electric fields to repel radiation was one of the first ideas back in the 1950s, when scientists started to look at the problem of protecting astronauts from radiation. They quickly dropped the idea though because it seemed like the high voltages needed and the awkward designs that they thought would be necessary … would make such an electric shield impractical.”
What a real journalist would have asked here, of course, is: “After dropping the electric shield concept, exactly what did they decide to use to get our astronauts safely to the Moon and back on the Apollo missions? And why can’t we do the same thing now, rather than reinventing the wheel? Don’t you guys have some of that gold foil in a closet somewhere?” No one in the American media, of course, bothered to ask such painfully obvious questions.
The 2005 report from NASA ends as follows: “But, who knows, perhaps one day astronauts on the Moon … will work safely.” Yes, and while we’re dreaming the impossible dream, let’s add a few more things to our wish list as well, like perhaps one day we’ll be able to listen to music on 8-track tape players, and talk to people on rotary dial telephones, and carry portable transistor radios, and use cameras that shoot pictures on special film that develops right before our eyes. Only time will tell, I suppose.